Comments on: american idiot http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/ the world as it exists Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:46:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: renoir http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-22029 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:47:33 +0000 http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-22029 hey christina... there's a big difference... how old are you? don't answer me... i'm just trying to make a point here, for you to understand... how old are those girls? you think they are aware of the amount of money their parents are spending on stuff that isn't at ALL useful? How about they donate that amount of money to the poor and victimized people in Darfur? I'd love to hear you comment back hey christina… there’s a big difference… how old are you? don’t answer me… i’m just trying to make a point here, for you to understand… how old are those girls? you think they are aware of the amount of money their parents are spending on stuff that isn’t at ALL useful? How about they donate that amount of money to the poor and victimized people in Darfur?

I’d love to hear you comment back

]]> by: asc http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-11155 Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:41:01 +0000 http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-11155 No male dolls? What do gender equality activists say to this? No male dolls? What do gender equality activists say to this?

]]> by: cmgrowl http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-4739 Wed, 02 May 2007 04:48:47 +0000 http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-4739 I'd hate to think of what the American Girl doll equivalent of a computer or ISP would be. There is a difference between buying superfluous crap and paying a fair price for something useful. I’d hate to think of what the American Girl doll equivalent of a computer or ISP would be. There is a difference between buying superfluous crap and paying a fair price for something useful.

]]> by: tequilaanddonuts http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-4736 Wed, 02 May 2007 03:36:43 +0000 http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-4736 Nice manners christina. Nice manners christina.

]]> by: bbd http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-4735 Wed, 02 May 2007 03:08:20 +0000 http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-4735 <em> what exactly makes this any better or worse?</em> you what exactly makes this any better or worse?

you

]]> by: christina http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-4028 Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:55:38 +0000 http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-4028 bbd, we're all consumers, you moron. you are just as much of one as anyone else. or did you type that from a public computer at the library because god forbid you fall prey to marketing from any computer company and actually buy one and then fall prey to marketing from an internet provider and pay for service. and i can't believe you would compare american girl dolls to mussolini and hitler, mushroom. seriously? newsflash, all of you buy stuff. you ALL fall "victim" to marketing ploys. what exactly makes this any better or worse? bbd, we’re all consumers, you moron. you are just as much of one as anyone else. or did you type that from a public computer at the library because god forbid you fall prey to marketing from any computer company and actually buy one and then fall prey to marketing from an internet provider and pay for service.

and i can’t believe you would compare american girl dolls to mussolini and hitler, mushroom. seriously?

newsflash, all of you buy stuff. you ALL fall “victim” to marketing ploys. what exactly makes this any better or worse?

]]> by: Mushroom http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-3767 Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:49:10 +0000 http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-3767 > “i don’t feel there is a single negative message coming > from american girl dolls.” Mousilini made the trains run on time. Hitler lowered staggering inflation. Several corporations have philanthropic arms to make them seem like good menshes while continuing to pollute, control market prices, and do gladhand business with China. And the library and leadership recognision and such at American Girl are just the shiny veneer of a capitalist machine. It's nice that they do promote girl power and give positive messages, but this doesn't negate that they're still digging into parents' pockets by using the little girls as tools to line their pockets through pressure. (Who can turn down their sweet little kid when they want something sooooooo bad, and their friends are all doing/getting it?) You're being used, even if you have the sense not to buy into the whole product line (and I'm happy to hear that). No argument about Barbie My Scene and Bratz. Those aren't positive at any level. > “i don’t feel there is a single negative message coming
> from american girl dolls.”

Mousilini made the trains run on time.
Hitler lowered staggering inflation.
Several corporations have philanthropic arms to make them seem like good menshes while continuing to pollute, control market prices, and do gladhand business with China.

And the library and leadership recognision and such at American Girl are just the shiny veneer of a capitalist machine. It’s nice that they do promote girl power and give positive messages, but this doesn’t negate that they’re still digging into parents’ pockets by using the little girls as tools to line their pockets through pressure. (Who can turn down their sweet little kid when they want something sooooooo bad, and their friends are all doing/getting it?) You’re being used, even if you have the sense not to buy into the whole product line (and I’m happy to hear that).

No argument about Barbie My Scene and Bratz. Those aren’t positive at any level.

]]> by: bbd http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-3757 Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:53:52 +0000 http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-3757 "something that american girl does is a girl of the year contest. they look for girls who are making a difference in their community, which is a good thing to encourage, don’t you think? if someone can’t see that as a positive thing coming out of this company, then sorry, can’t help you." just so you're clear on this. they are not doing this to honor the girl...it's part of their marketing. their bottom line is still all about opening their trench coat and saying "pssst, hey you, come over here." btw, she's not really asking for your help here "i don’t feel there is a single negative message coming from american girl dolls." that's fine...just be aware that you are in fact blinded by your own paradigm, that you're a consumerbot, and that's what your legacy is to your offspring. the mad rush to be like all your friends with blind brainwashed devotion is not "finding their own voice and standing up for themselves" it is, in fact, just the opposite. but then your a priori arguments are essentially tautological “something that american girl does is a girl of the year contest. they look for girls who are making a difference in their community, which is a good thing to encourage, don’t you think? if someone can’t see that as a positive thing coming out of this company, then sorry, can’t help you.”

just so you’re clear on this. they are not doing this to honor the girl…it’s part of their marketing. their bottom line is still all about opening their trench coat and saying “pssst, hey you, come over here.”

btw, she’s not really asking for your help here

“i don’t feel there is a single negative message coming from american girl dolls.”

that’s fine…just be aware that you are in fact blinded by your own paradigm, that you’re a consumerbot, and that’s what your legacy is to your offspring. the mad rush to be like all your friends with blind brainwashed devotion is not “finding their own voice and standing up for themselves” it is, in fact, just the opposite. but then your a priori arguments are essentially tautological

]]> by: christina http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-3647 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:52:00 +0000 http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-3647 my daughter has an american girl doll, but that doesn't mean i bow to any little whim she has about taking a class there or buying anything and everything for that particular doll. she gets accessories as gifts from a lot of our family and i don't believe it's teaching her anything negative. they actually have a great library of books that are geared towards teaching girls things like how to deal with friend issues at school, how to create projects for school assignments, information on puberty and dealing with emotional changes and a whole bunch of other things that i think parents will find to be great resources. just because all those things exist (classes, expensive meals, birthday parties, etc.) doesn't mean that all the parents buy all that crap. i don't see that the simple existence of these dolls necessarily teaches anything negative to kids; think about it...the types of parents who will push rampant consumerism and social irresponsibility will do that regardless of an american girl doll in their child's possession. something that american girl does is a girl of the year contest. they look for girls who are making a difference in their community, which is a good thing to encourage, don't you think? if someone can't see that as a positive thing coming out of this company, then sorry, can't help you. i don't feel there is a single negative message coming from american girl dolls. a lot of the instructional type books really encourage girls finding their own voice and standing up for themselves and being happy with the way they are. now if you want to talk about negatives, let's discuss the barbie my scene dolls and bratz.... my daughter has an american girl doll, but that doesn’t mean i bow to any little whim she has about taking a class there or buying anything and everything for that particular doll. she gets accessories as gifts from a lot of our family and i don’t believe it’s teaching her anything negative. they actually have a great library of books that are geared towards teaching girls things like how to deal with friend issues at school, how to create projects for school assignments, information on puberty and dealing with emotional changes and a whole bunch of other things that i think parents will find to be great resources.

just because all those things exist (classes, expensive meals, birthday parties, etc.) doesn’t mean that all the parents buy all that crap. i don’t see that the simple existence of these dolls necessarily teaches anything negative to kids; think about it…the types of parents who will push rampant consumerism and social irresponsibility will do that regardless of an american girl doll in their child’s possession.

something that american girl does is a girl of the year contest. they look for girls who are making a difference in their community, which is a good thing to encourage, don’t you think? if someone can’t see that as a positive thing coming out of this company, then sorry, can’t help you.

i don’t feel there is a single negative message coming from american girl dolls. a lot of the instructional type books really encourage girls finding their own voice and standing up for themselves and being happy with the way they are.

now if you want to talk about negatives, let’s discuss the barbie my scene dolls and bratz….

]]> by: tequilaanddonuts http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-3550 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:22:59 +0000 http://www.therealmalingering.com/2007/04/10/american-idiot/#comment-3550 Bah! Obviously there are far more important things to get upset about; the Middle East Crisis, famine, the existence or non-existence of global warming, Sanjaya, pro-choice or pro-life, gas prices, homelessness, Sanjaya, the pet food scare, my piles and piles of dirty laundry, fetal alcohol syndrome, bunnies that sing "Jesus Loves Me", and Sanjaya. But none of these things so neatly encapsulates what is wrong with consumerism when it's targeted to children. If it were just a quality doll, I wouldn't have a problem with American Girl. It's American Girl's promotion of all the peripherals and what that's saying to kids, specifically to girls that's maddening. I'm not trying to "jump" you Christina, but maybe you can give us some examples of what's "right" about American Girl. I mean that sincerely. There maybe an angle here I haven't considered. Bah! Obviously there are far more important things to get upset about; the Middle East Crisis, famine, the existence or non-existence of global warming, Sanjaya, pro-choice or pro-life, gas prices, homelessness, Sanjaya, the pet food scare, my piles and piles of dirty laundry, fetal alcohol syndrome, bunnies that sing “Jesus Loves Me”, and Sanjaya. But none of these things so neatly encapsulates what is wrong with consumerism when it’s targeted to children. If it were just a quality doll, I wouldn’t have a problem with American Girl. It’s American Girl’s promotion of all the peripherals and what that’s saying to kids, specifically to girls that’s maddening.
I’m not trying to “jump” you Christina, but maybe you can give us some examples of what’s “right” about American Girl. I mean that sincerely. There maybe an angle here I haven’t considered.

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